1 00:00:30,000 --> 00:00:33,920 The human race has always been obsessed by things it can't understand. 2 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,880 The more lucid the answer, the more we try to find it. 3 00:00:36,880 --> 00:00:41,560 The Society for Psychical Research has compiled hundreds of reports since it was founded in 4 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:43,060 1882. 5 00:00:43,060 --> 00:00:44,880 These are just some of them. 6 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:50,060 Proving, the Society's members believe, the existence of paranormal phenomena. 7 00:00:50,060 --> 00:00:54,640 But after more than a century, they still haven't been able to find out how or why. 8 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:59,000 Our stories tonight are as strange as any of the Society has ever encountered. 9 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,480 We'll meet a woman who works alongside doctors to practice astonishing healing powers. 10 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:06,960 And we'll hear from the patients she has apparently cured. 11 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:12,520 First, this particular report was compiled by a group investigating ghost stories at 12 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:16,720 the fortress which has guarded England's shores longer than any other, from the Iron 13 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,240 Age to the Second World War. 14 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,800 High above the famous White Cliffs on the south coast, Dover Castle is the kind of place 15 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,160 you might expect to attract ghost stories. 16 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:29,280 Perhaps they'll take them with a pinch of salt. 17 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:40,960 But more recent events have made them take their unearthly guests much more seriously. 18 00:01:40,960 --> 00:01:46,960 Nicknamed Hellfire Corner, damp and eerie. 19 00:01:46,960 --> 00:01:51,200 There are three and a half miles of these tunnels carved through the cliffs during World War 20 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,200 II. 21 00:01:53,320 --> 00:01:56,120 To tell you whether they're gloomy or not, today they are the favourite tourist attraction 22 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,360 in this busy ferry port. 23 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:02,400 Leslie Simpson has guided thousands of people on their plunge into history. 24 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,280 But there's one tour he'll never forget. 25 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:10,080 I had a group of about 20 people. 26 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:16,800 Ladies and gentlemen, if you'll just follow me through now, please. 27 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,680 We came into the repeater station. 28 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,840 I brought the group up to the barrier. 29 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,400 I stand on a step where I can overlook the group. 30 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:30,080 You're now in the Defence Telecommunications Network Station, DTN. 31 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,280 I play this, the repeater station. 32 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:39,080 All lines entering the headquarters came through a narrow well shaft, 150 feet below this room. 33 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:42,680 I had to notice this lady, she was very intent. 34 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:50,640 And she suddenly looked very alarmed and she fell down and slipped down onto her knee. 35 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,600 I'm okay, I'm fine, I'm fine. 36 00:02:55,600 --> 00:03:00,800 But the lady wasn't really fine, as Leslie found out at the end of the tour. 37 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:04,280 Thanks very much, glad you enjoyed the tour. Goodbye. 38 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:06,280 Goodbye, thanks for coming. 39 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,360 Are you okay now? You didn't hurt yourself in there, did you? 40 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,920 No, I'm fine. But... 41 00:03:11,920 --> 00:03:16,680 This is going to sound very strange, but I think I ought to tell you what happened down there. 42 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:18,480 I'm glad on the level of Bob... 43 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:20,880 She explained that she'd been watching a man. 44 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:26,120 She had a uniform, one a naval uniform, down at the far end of the repeater station. 45 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:30,920 And she thought he belonged here, part of the tour, tinkering with the equipment. 46 00:03:32,920 --> 00:03:38,560 She then got alarmed because he started to walk towards the group. 47 00:03:38,560 --> 00:03:42,600 He was walking quite fast, he came down the second small flight of steps. 48 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,040 And he just walked straight through the barrier. 49 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,040 And right through her. 50 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:59,040 This sighting is only one of many in a complex which spans three eras. 51 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:04,600 The Hellfire Corner tunnels, the old gun rooms built to fight off Napoleon's threatened invasion, 52 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,040 and the ancient castle where William the Conqueror once stayed. 53 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:11,040 All have reports of inexplicable goings-on. 54 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:15,040 Bomb proof and impregnable, the evacuation of Dunkirk was planned here. 55 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:19,040 Hundreds of people lived and worked inside the cliff face. 56 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:27,040 The tunnels were sealed for half a century before being opened up as a museum. 57 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,040 Even now, visitors are allowed round only with supervision. 58 00:04:31,040 --> 00:04:34,040 Some would say for good reason. 59 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,040 I had a tour group of about 25 to 30 people, 60 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:43,040 and the tour had been going well until we reached the repeater station. 61 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:50,040 I noticed a father and daughter standing slightly away from the rest of the group. 62 00:04:55,040 --> 00:05:02,040 The girl appeared to be in communication with somebody who appeared invisible to me. 63 00:05:02,040 --> 00:05:06,040 And her father was looking on, interestingly. 64 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:12,040 And then all of a sudden the father disappeared out of the repeater station. 65 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,040 Can you stay with the rest of the group, please? 66 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:29,040 Karen tried to forget the incident and carried on with her tour. 67 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,040 Just before we move into the next room, ladies and gentlemen, 68 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,040 a piece of light-hearted information for you. 69 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:40,040 This room is supposed to be the most haunted room in Hellfire Corner. 70 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:44,040 Yes, I know, and I've just seen the ghost. 71 00:05:44,040 --> 00:05:49,040 At that point I thought we got a bit of a one here and dismissed what he said. 72 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,040 Okay, ladies and gentlemen, if you'd like to follow me. 73 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,040 He was very casual about the whole thing, 74 00:05:56,040 --> 00:06:01,040 but the girl was very withdrawn and shat and she looked in shock in fact. 75 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:05,040 Karen realised something very unusual had happened, 76 00:06:05,040 --> 00:06:07,040 so she took down the details. 77 00:06:07,040 --> 00:06:09,040 He said his name was Bill Billings, 78 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:14,040 and he said he was killed when he was assembling an amplifier rack or something. 79 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:19,040 I thought that they had definitely seen someone down here. 80 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:24,040 Despite such testimonies, some of the Castle staff are quite sure 81 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:27,040 that the reason for it all is a perfectly natural one. 82 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,040 After eight years of taking groups around the Castle, 83 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:35,040 Philip Wyburn Brown thinks he knows what's behind the apparently abnormal activities. 84 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,040 The building is 800 years old. It's built high on the cliff. 85 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,040 It is subject to a lot of wind and air currents up here. 86 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:49,040 So I think a lot of it is very much the natural phenomena of the building itself. 87 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,040 So could it all just be a combination of natural atmospherics 88 00:06:57,040 --> 00:07:00,040 and overactive imaginations? 89 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:06,040 Local investigators have done a scientific stakeout of the Castle 90 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:10,040 and its many tunnels and passages on three all-night vigils. 91 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:16,040 We brought a team of 16 people into Dover Castle. 92 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,040 Divided the team into pairs, 93 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:23,040 working to a very strict shift rotor. 94 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:28,040 We brought in very sophisticated equipment such as a high-tech computerized sensing machine 95 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:34,040 which senses changes in temperature, movement. 96 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:39,040 Everybody's equipped with tape recorders, thermometers, video cameras. 97 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:44,040 Each pair were given a certain location to work on. 98 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:50,040 Group H, Sue Nichols and Keith Acres were stationed in a passageway with their tape recorder. 99 00:07:52,040 --> 00:07:57,040 We'd been sat there about five hours when suddenly there was an on-wis bang. 100 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,040 Unable to believe there is, they played back the tape. 101 00:08:05,040 --> 00:08:08,040 I knew there was no doors anywhere around. 102 00:08:08,040 --> 00:08:11,040 There was a lot of noise. 103 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,040 There were no doors anywhere around. 104 00:08:14,040 --> 00:08:17,040 There was nobody else near us. 105 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:22,040 And then the investigators say they didn't just hear what they claimed to be poltergeist activity. 106 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,040 They saw it. 107 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:28,040 At approximately two o'clock in the morning, my partner and myself had allowed bang in this room 108 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,040 and we investigated this door here. 109 00:08:30,040 --> 00:08:34,040 I found it was to be locked and moved away approximately 10 feet from this. 110 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,040 This huge bang behind us which made us both jump out of our skins 111 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:42,040 would turn around quite petrified to see the door still vibrating manly. 112 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:48,040 The next time it happened, the investigators were determined to get proof. 113 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:53,040 Chris Cherry, a master at the University of Kent, trained a video camera on the door. 114 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:07,040 The noise was quite tremendous and all those tapestries above our heads started swaying. 115 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,040 And this was rather extraordinary. 116 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:15,040 We thought we got a paranormal phenomenon and I very stupidly yelled out, 117 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:19,040 we've got it and of course that screwed the whole thing up and it ceased. 118 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:29,040 Each team who were working in the keep thoroughly checked the area around 119 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:36,040 and we could find no apparent natural reason for the door to run at all. 120 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,040 So what could be the cause of the events at Dover Castle? 121 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:45,040 Michael Brumley is a psychic who claims he can tune into departed spirits. 122 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:50,040 He's never been here before so what will he find in Hellfire Corner? 123 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:54,040 This area is very powerful, very strong. 124 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:59,040 I would expect that at different times people walk through here. 125 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,040 In the repeater station, Michael came up with a name. 126 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:08,040 I just think of name Helen for what reason. 127 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:15,040 But the castle official watching Michael Brumley wasn't impressed. 128 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:20,040 He started talking about Helen and there just wouldn't have been women in that area 129 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:24,040 so I became very skeptical and just didn't believe what he was saying. 130 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:27,040 It was just didn't gel, just wasn't right. 131 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,040 However, a few days after we filmed Michael Brumley, 132 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:34,040 another visitor, an Australian tourist, had only just arrived in Britain. 133 00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:36,040 Astonished everyone. 134 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,040 I told the tour guide what I'd seen while I was in this room, 135 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,040 how a ghostly figure had come running up towards me. 136 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,040 He was blonde, he was wearing navy blue. 137 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:53,040 He said his name was Samuel and he was asking me questions about a woman called Helen. 138 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:56,040 He was very agitated and wanting to find out about where Helen was. 139 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:58,040 When she came to me and told me about Helen, 140 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,040 you really could have just knocked me down with a feather. 141 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:03,040 It was amazing really. 142 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:06,040 It sort of changed my attitude really to the place. 143 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,040 Well, I imagine it would. 144 00:11:09,040 --> 00:11:13,040 And it's not the first time that Michael Brumley's psychic information has made an impact. 145 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:17,040 He's previously been employed as official psychic to the Olympic Games, 146 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,040 helping police to sniff out security loopholes. 147 00:11:20,040 --> 00:11:22,040 Strange but true. 148 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,040 THE MOST THING THAT HAPPENED 149 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,040 Think of the world's greatest discoveries and inventions. 150 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:40,040 Whatever you come up with, you have to admit that none is nearly as fantastic as the human body. 151 00:11:40,040 --> 00:11:44,040 Our eyes can take in more than the largest telescope. 152 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,040 Our brains are more complex than the most powerful computer. 153 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:54,040 And all the information in this bookcase would just fit into the genetic blueprint of a single human cell. 154 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:58,040 And all that from something that's about 70% water. 155 00:11:58,040 --> 00:12:03,040 Even now, scientists don't really understand what it is that gives us the spark we call life. 156 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:09,040 And there are still many conditions where conventional medicine has unfortunately had to admit defeat. 157 00:12:09,040 --> 00:12:15,040 But there are those who claim they can perform the most amazing cures without drugs or surgery. 158 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:18,040 And some doctors are coming to believe it too. 159 00:12:20,040 --> 00:12:23,040 All the doctors refer patients to Lorraine. 160 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:27,040 We don't think that what she does is really any different to what we do. 161 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:30,040 Hello. 162 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:32,040 I have an appointment with her right now. 163 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:38,040 Even if you can't understand something, if for some people it does seem to be effective, then why not use it? 164 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:43,040 I thought it would be akin to a religious experience with people standing around a font or something like that, 165 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:47,040 dunking people into religious water and healing them that way. 166 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,040 We can have a look in that here. 167 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:56,040 After surgery in Otley, a Yorkshire town where people aren't given to exaggerated claims, especially the doctors. 168 00:12:56,040 --> 00:13:03,040 But when their medical powers can do no more, they've come to accept the more unorthodox methods of Lorraine Ham. 169 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,040 So much so that Lorraine now works at the surgery. 170 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:09,040 I'll often start at the head. 171 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:15,040 And what's happening then is I'm just sensing a little bit deeper as to what the problem is. 172 00:13:15,040 --> 00:13:20,040 Lorraine says that without even touching, she feels energies in the body and the healing begins. 173 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,040 There are energy centres throughout the body. 174 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:30,040 I can usually sense where there's a depletion or if it's overcharged. 175 00:13:30,040 --> 00:13:38,040 And so really it's a matter of balancing and unblocking energies that may be causing the problem in the first place. 176 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:42,040 Even a local vicar describes Lorraine's powers with the word he doesn't use lightly. 177 00:13:42,040 --> 00:13:47,040 If you'd asked me to describe a miracle, I couldn't perhaps describe it in any other way. 178 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:52,040 The Reverend Allen Kitchen had a severe neck injury. One morning he woke up in agony. 179 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:00,040 I need a doctor, dear. I can't move. 180 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:05,040 The pain came all down my arm and into my fingers and it really was agonied. 181 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:10,040 The doctor came in and consigned me to this hospital for ten days' traction. 182 00:14:10,040 --> 00:14:18,040 Although on the face of it it's only once more part of the body which is affected, the pain is so severe that individuals can sometimes hardly move. 183 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:25,040 They sent me home. All they'd given me was bottles of painkillers really and just told me to rest in bed. 184 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:31,040 It seemed to be in a lot of pain. You could see by his face it was distorted. 185 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,040 The vicar's wife called in Lorraine. 186 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,040 Hello. How are you today? 187 00:14:35,040 --> 00:14:45,040 My neck and my arm hurt. In fact, all the time. I've never known nothing about it. 188 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:49,040 I sat at the bottom of the bed and I watched her. 189 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,040 Right then. Let's see. 190 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:57,040 She never actually touched me as such. She never once put a hand on me in any way at all. 191 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,040 But to begin with, it only seemed to hurt more. 192 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:08,040 After a while the pain began to build up and it built up so much that a vector said to her, give it a restroom and it's hurting too much. 193 00:15:08,040 --> 00:15:11,040 Please stop. 194 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,040 Just try a moment longer. 195 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:20,040 Then all three, the vicar, his wife and Lorraine, noticed a remarkable change. 196 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:26,040 Suddenly something happened in the wrong. There was a brand new atmosphere in the wrong. A tremendous sense of peace. 197 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:34,040 And then he relaxed and his pain had gone. It was very emotional, very special. 198 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:38,040 It was very difficult to put into words a feeling like that. 199 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:46,040 It was just lovely to see him walking around again and not in any pain anymore. It was really tremendous. 200 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:51,040 We have no scientific explanation why that should happen. 201 00:15:51,040 --> 00:16:02,040 After such a long period on traction and then two weeks bed rest to suddenly get up and walk, it sounds almost like the stuff miracles are made of. 202 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:08,040 So what are the healing powers which Lorraine Hamm apparently possesses? 203 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:18,040 Her family is originally from New Zealand, where her great-great-grandfather was a Maori chief and master of medicines and bush plants. 204 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:25,040 There is always a possibility there is a link between the great-great-grandfather's healing abilities and mine. 205 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:35,040 She's been far more successful than I had anticipated. Approximately 80% of all people who go and see her feel that they've benefited. 206 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:39,040 And many people have been greatly improved by her treatment. 207 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:45,040 But how is Lorraine Hamm so successful? Does she really bring about physical changes? 208 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:50,040 I think that faith healing does work, but there's no special physical process taking place. 209 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:58,040 This is a psychological process. They make the patient believe they're going to get better in the way that a convincing doctor might do. 210 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:05,040 And it is this mind-over-matter influenced by the faith healer that makes the patient get better. 211 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:12,040 But Lorraine insists those she treats don't have to believe in her powers. Speedway rider Gary Havlock certainly didn't. 212 00:17:16,040 --> 00:17:20,040 It was a really frightening crash actually because I was going very fast. 213 00:17:20,040 --> 00:17:24,040 Gary had a serious accident during a race in Poland. 214 00:17:24,040 --> 00:17:27,040 It's my hand. My hand. 215 00:17:27,040 --> 00:17:36,040 My hand was hurting the most. I felt something clicking away inside there and I knew I'd done something straight away really. 216 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:41,040 When Gary got to hospital, X-ray showed his hand was broken and there was even worse to come. 217 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,040 You'll have complete fracture. 218 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:47,040 The doctor told him it would be six weeks before he could ride a bike again. 219 00:17:47,040 --> 00:17:51,040 Six weeks. There's no way I can be out of action for that long. 220 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,040 I've got a big race inside today. 221 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,040 Sorry. Excuse me. 222 00:17:55,040 --> 00:18:04,040 The big race was the Commonwealth Speedway final. Only if he took part would Gary qualify for the World Championships. The usual experts couldn't help. 223 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:14,040 The first obvious thing was this fracture which you can see here which would have caused an awful lot of pain, particularly on a speedway bike with a vibration. 224 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:21,040 I couldn't grip the handlebars of the bike properly and I knew that if I couldn't grip them enough then I certainly wouldn't be winning any races. 225 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:23,040 Would you like to come and take a seat? 226 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,040 I was pretty spent. I would give anything a try really. 227 00:18:25,040 --> 00:18:27,040 I've never done anything like this before. 228 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:28,040 That's alright. 229 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:34,040 When Gary was skeptical of Lorraine his girlfriend had been treated by her before. He decided he had nothing to lose. 230 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:41,040 She put one hand underneath my hand and one hand over it. It was real hot sensations if somebody had had a low touch on my hand. 231 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:49,040 As I held Gary's hand I had the sensation that the bones were actually knitting together. 232 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:54,040 Afterwards when she finished she finally touched me her fingers were icy cold. 233 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:58,040 Four days later Gary raced in the Commonwealth final. 234 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:05,040 He won and went on to win the World Championships too. 235 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:11,040 I must say that I was very surprised to find that he did so well in the final. 236 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:17,040 It was like a dream come true for me. It's all I ever wanted to do. They were all champion. 237 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:25,040 Perhaps the best of Lorraine's cases and the one which leaves the people involved with no doubt of her powers is out of Margaret and Peter Lupton. 238 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:35,040 When we first got married we really did want to have children. After a couple of years of trying nothing happened so we went to our doctor who referred it to a consultant. 239 00:19:36,040 --> 00:19:39,040 But the consultant could find nothing wrong. 240 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:45,040 I'm just saying there is no reason why you can't have children. 241 00:19:46,040 --> 00:19:48,040 So what do we do? 242 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:54,040 Well let's keep down things to begin with. We'll start off with you checking your temperature on these charts every day. 243 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:02,040 For five years I went through every test imaginable. Keeping regular appointments at the hospital. 244 00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:09,040 And the doctors really just seemed to be doing the same tests over and over again. There didn't seem to be any progression in the treatment. 245 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:14,040 Nothing seemed to work. The couple became more and more disheartened. 246 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:27,040 I'm all right. I'll be asleep in a minute. I just want to sit up for a while. 247 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:34,040 In the end I just had quite enough. We decided to just get off the merry-go-round and leave it. We'd had enough of all the tests. 248 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:43,040 The Laptons built themselves a life without children. They enjoyed holidays around the world and Margaret worked hard at her career. 249 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:48,040 Then a couple of years later she went to Lorraine for relaxation and the subject of children came up. 250 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:50,040 Is there anything to do with children? 251 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:58,040 I didn't tell Peter about it initially. I was clinging to a hope that I didn't want to awaken in Peter again after we decided to give up. 252 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:09,040 I would do the healing generally around her body, above her body, and then I would concentrate on the abdominal area. 253 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:17,040 The sessions finished after six months just before Margaret and Peter set off for a holiday. But something felt different. 254 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:24,040 Although she had none of the normal signs of pregnancy, Margaret took a test. The results came in a phone call. 255 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:26,040 Could you say that again? 256 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,040 I asked him to repeat it about three times when I told him it was positive. 257 00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:30,040 What's this? Are you sure? 258 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:33,040 I was just so over the moon. It was incredible. 259 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:40,040 First of all, I was absolutely stunned about it then. I was really elated. Couldn't wait. 260 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:45,040 The first postcard Margaret sent from her holiday was to Lorraine Ham. 261 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:46,040 Thanks Lorraine. 262 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:56,040 Margaret had a little boy, Joshua, and her second son, Rhys, is now one year old. 263 00:21:57,040 --> 00:22:01,040 I think if I hadn't been for living, we probably would be a childless couple now. 264 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,040 But having better holidays now with the kids than we had before without them. 265 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,040 There's one for the family album they thought they'd never have. 266 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:18,040 Even doctors who don't believe in any special powers are baffled by the success of healers. 267 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:22,040 They argue that people are getting better because they think they're going to get better. 268 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:26,040 But if the human mind can cure physical conditions, all bites.